Comments on: Advice for TSN’s Grey Cup commentators http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/ On Sports And The Media Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:20:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Marc http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-756 Marc Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:00:05 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-756 Hey Peter Brown, you said the CFL could not afford the Black Eyed Peas. Do some research, the Black Eyed Peas played the halftime at the 2005 Grey Cup in Vancouver. Most of the fans going to the game thought that it was a bad choice and did not appeal to the majority of the demographic at the game. The CFL has gotten a much younger fan base than they used to have, but it appeals to real sports fans above 25 years of age who want to bring their family to an affordable sports event, and who are not dependent on gambling on the NFL and immersing themselves in all the NFL stats. Really, if it was not for the gambling, most people would be nowhere near as interested in watching the National Football League as they are. Young men first get involved and addicted to gambling, then they become involved and addicted to the NFL because they play most of their games simultaneously on Sunday. Hey Peter Brown, you said the CFL could not afford the Black Eyed Peas. Do some research, the Black Eyed Peas played the halftime at the 2005 Grey Cup in Vancouver. Most of the fans going to the game thought that it was a bad choice and did not appeal to the majority of the demographic at the game.

The CFL has gotten a much younger fan base than they used to have, but it appeals to real sports fans above 25 years of age who want to bring their family to an affordable sports event, and who are not dependent on gambling on the NFL and immersing themselves in all the NFL stats. Really, if it was not for the gambling, most people would be nowhere near as interested in watching the National Football League as they are. Young men first get involved and addicted to gambling, then they become involved and addicted to the NFL because they play most of their games simultaneously on Sunday.

]]> By: Peter Brown http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-744 Peter Brown Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:44:45 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-744 The Grey Cup is the Super Bowl of Canada. Here are recent Super Bowl halftime artists: Bruce Springsteen, Rolling Stones, Tom Petty, and Prince. This year, it will be The Who. Prince is the only one under 60 in the bunch. That's really cutting edge. And somehow, the Super Bowl will struggle to get 110 million viewers in North America. Clearly they're doing something wrong. The Grey Cup is the Super Bowl of Canada. Here are recent Super Bowl halftime artists: Bruce Springsteen, Rolling Stones, Tom Petty, and Prince. This year, it will be The Who. Prince is the only one under 60 in the bunch. That’s really cutting edge. And somehow, the Super Bowl will struggle to get 110 million viewers in North America. Clearly they’re doing something wrong.

]]> By: Peter Brown http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-743 Peter Brown Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:39:46 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-743 And this year, exactly ZERO Canadians will watch the Sunday night Steelers/Ravens game because BBM doesn't measure Canadians watching NBC if it's not a simulcast. Way to go, Canada! And you can get that Houston and Zelkovich will marvel at this amazing fact. And this year, exactly ZERO Canadians will watch the Sunday night Steelers/Ravens game because BBM doesn’t measure Canadians watching NBC if it’s not a simulcast. Way to go, Canada! And you can get that Houston and Zelkovich will marvel at this amazing fact.

]]> By: Peter Brown http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-742 Peter Brown Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:31:13 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-742 Black Eyed Peas? The CFL couldn't afford them, first of all. And it would be a terrible choice. The kids would be happy, and the othe 90 per cent of the grownups would be asking who are these punks. Hey, Canadians! How about Nickelback? So, along with 7-yard punts, I 'd have another reason to ignore this game and just watch real football like Steelers/Ravens? Black Eyed Peas? The CFL couldn’t afford them, first of all. And it would be a terrible choice. The kids would be happy, and the othe 90 per cent of the grownups would be asking who are these punks.

Hey, Canadians! How about Nickelback? So, along with 7-yard punts, I ‘d have another reason to ignore this game and just watch real football like Steelers/Ravens?

]]> By: bill will http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-740 bill will Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:22:06 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-740 Matthew : I teach college, my students are more excited for the New England/New Orleans game Monday night than the Grey Cup, despite the fact their home town team is in it. And whilst no one i know actually watches half-time, my students say that nothing about the CFl appeals to them, other than its Canadianness, but they think it’s full of 2nd rate athletes (which it’s not) and is boring (”just like Canada,” to quote one of them) i was not aware Montreal had colleges for retards. Matthew
: I teach college, my students are more excited for the New England/New Orleans game Monday night than the Grey Cup, despite the fact their home town team is in it. And whilst no one i know actually watches half-time, my students say that nothing about the CFl appeals to them, other than its Canadianness, but they think it’s full of 2nd rate athletes (which it’s not) and is boring (”just like Canada,” to quote one of them)

i was not aware Montreal had colleges for retards.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-738 Matthew Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:55:47 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-738 Peter, Blue Rodeo are no longer a mainstream band, they're an ageing boomer band. Even the Tragically Hip are moving out of the mainstream. Same with Sloan and all the bands I grew up on. But I'm not the demographic the CFL wants. I agree, you want a huge audience for the Grey Cup, but I'll also tell you this: I teach college, my students are more excited for the New England/New Orleans game Monday night than the Grey Cup, despite the fact their home town team is in it. And whilst no one i know actually watches half-time, my students say that nothing about the CFl appeals to them, other than its Canadianness, but they think it's full of 2nd rate athletes (which it's not) and is boring ("just like Canada," to quote one of them). At the very least having music that they can dig on at half time might not reinforce the idea that the CFL is foreign to them. That's all I'm saying. Peter, Blue Rodeo are no longer a mainstream band, they’re an ageing boomer band. Even the Tragically Hip are moving out of the mainstream. Same with Sloan and all the bands I grew up on. But I’m not the demographic the CFL wants. I agree, you want a huge audience for the Grey Cup, but I’ll also tell you this: I teach college, my students are more excited for the New England/New Orleans game Monday night than the Grey Cup, despite the fact their home town team is in it. And whilst no one i know actually watches half-time, my students say that nothing about the CFl appeals to them, other than its Canadianness, but they think it’s full of 2nd rate athletes (which it’s not) and is boring (“just like Canada,” to quote one of them). At the very least having music that they can dig on at half time might not reinforce the idea that the CFL is foreign to them. That’s all I’m saying.

]]> By: The Zeb http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-737 The Zeb Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:36:26 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-737 Peter - I can't suggest an alternative because I am not part of that demographic- I am fully clued out. I know the Black Eyed Peas got huge buzz from the under 30s when they played. I have no clue who an equivalent would be. In short - it should be a band I have no familiarity with - then they have a chance at being hip and current. If you are on my ipod, the kids won't be excited. Peter – I can’t suggest an alternative because I am not part of that demographic- I am fully clued out. I know the Black Eyed Peas got huge buzz from the under 30s when they played. I have no clue who an equivalent would be.

In short – it should be a band I have no familiarity with – then they have a chance at being hip and current. If you are on my ipod, the kids won’t be excited.

]]> By: Peter Brown http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-736 Peter Brown Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:40:37 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-736 Re: Criticism of Blue Rodeo choice. I could not disagree more. The long-term strategic goal of the CFL, like that of all leagues, is to attract young viewers so that the fan base doesn't erode. But the goal when planning the Grey Cup is to attract a massive number of viewers, and you do that with a mainstream artist that will attract a broad audience, not an artist that appeals to any one demographic. Blue Rodeo is one of the most well known, recognizable, and successful brands in Canadian music. A perfect choice. And besides, if you think it's a bad choice, how about suggesting some actual alternatives? Re: Criticism of Blue Rodeo choice. I could not disagree more. The long-term strategic goal of the CFL, like that of all leagues, is to attract young viewers so that the fan base doesn’t erode. But the goal when planning the Grey Cup is to attract a massive number of viewers, and you do that with a mainstream artist that will attract a broad audience, not an artist that appeals to any one demographic. Blue Rodeo is one of the most well known, recognizable, and successful brands in Canadian music. A perfect choice. And besides, if you think it’s a bad choice, how about suggesting some actual alternatives?

]]> By: James http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-734 James Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:19:10 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-734 Matthew, you're right. I think with a new stadium and decent ownership, the Expos would have been successful. I'm a big Jays fan, but I miss them a lot. You're also right that Montreal is definitely underserved compared to American cities with similar populations. Montreal's population is 1.6 million (City) 3.6 million (Metro). They have 1 major league team (This is not meant as a slight to the Als or Impact. The CFL is major league in a sense, but I'm referring to 'major' as the amount of money/infrastructure necessary to operate a team. The CFL doesn't require the same financial investment/population base as NHL/NBA/MLB/NFL). Compare that to (according to Wikipedia): Minneapolis: 390,000 (city) 3,500,000 (Metro). 4 teams in 4 major sports leagues. Milwaukee: 604,000 (city) 1,700,000 (Metro). 2 teams in big 4 sports. (3 if you include Green Bay) Denver: 598,000 (city) 2,500,000 (Metro). 4 teams in big 4 sports. St Louis 354,000 (city) 2,800,000 (Metro). 3 teams in big 4 sports. Buffalo: 272,000 (city) 1,200,000 (Metro) 2 teams in big 4 sports. Cincinatti: 333,000 (city) 2,100,000 (Metro). 2 teams in big 4 sports. Also, when you consider that Toronto's population is 2,500,000 (city) 5,500,000 (Metro) , not to mention 8,100,000 (Golden Horseshoe) - it illustrates how unrealistic Rick's notion is that there should only be a CFL and NHL team here. In fact, you could argue that Toronto is underserved as it is - hence the clamoring for a second NHL team and the NFL rumours. Matthew, you’re right. I think with a new stadium and decent ownership, the Expos would have been successful. I’m a big Jays fan, but I miss them a lot. You’re also right that Montreal is definitely underserved compared to American cities with similar populations.

Montreal’s population is 1.6 million (City) 3.6 million (Metro). They have 1 major league team (This is not meant as a slight to the Als or Impact. The CFL is major league in a sense, but I’m referring to ‘major’ as the amount of money/infrastructure necessary to operate a team. The CFL doesn’t require the same financial investment/population base as NHL/NBA/MLB/NFL).

Compare that to (according to Wikipedia):

Minneapolis: 390,000 (city) 3,500,000 (Metro). 4 teams in 4 major sports leagues.
Milwaukee: 604,000 (city) 1,700,000 (Metro). 2 teams in big 4 sports. (3 if you include Green Bay)
Denver: 598,000 (city) 2,500,000 (Metro). 4 teams in big 4 sports.
St Louis 354,000 (city) 2,800,000 (Metro). 3 teams in big 4 sports.
Buffalo: 272,000 (city) 1,200,000 (Metro) 2 teams in big 4 sports.
Cincinatti: 333,000 (city) 2,100,000 (Metro). 2 teams in big 4 sports.

Also, when you consider that Toronto’s population is 2,500,000 (city) 5,500,000 (Metro) , not to mention 8,100,000 (Golden Horseshoe) – it illustrates how unrealistic Rick’s notion is that there should only be a CFL and NHL team here. In fact, you could argue that Toronto is underserved as it is – hence the clamoring for a second NHL team and the NFL rumours.

]]> By: Jimmy http://www.truthandrumours.net/2009/11/26/advice-for-tsns-grey-cup-telecast/comment-page-1/#comment-733 Jimmy Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:14:26 +0000 http://www.truthandrumours.net/?p=553#comment-733 TSN is an embarrassment. TRANSMISSION PROBLEMS AGAIN. Could you imagine if the BCS Championship game had transmission troubles? TSN is an embarrassment. TRANSMISSION PROBLEMS AGAIN. Could you imagine if the BCS Championship game had transmission troubles?

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